Gloria Moss is back

Speakers: James Delingpole (host) and Gloria Moss, a researcher/writer linked to the Truth U educational project and to a self-styled "Natural Common Law People's Court". Recording date: shortly before the 14 October anniversary of the Battle of Hastings — i.e. mid-October 2026, with roughly three months left before the 31 January 2027 copper-network switch-off.

Click to listen to the full discussion - notes and summary below

1. The hook: the copper landline switch-off

The UK's analogue public switched telephone network (PSTN) — copper-wire landlines and ISDN — is due to be retired on 31 January 2027, a date BT moved to in May 2024 (it had previously been December 2025) ^[1]. Moss puts the remaining window at "a little over three months".
Moss argues the official rationale (efficiency, "improved communications") is thin, and that the real loss is a resilient communications system that survives war, cyber-attack and power cuts. She cites an American podcast guest from North Carolina who told her that copper lines were the only telephony that kept working during the floods there.
Silver Voices (a pensioners' membership organisation) and its director Dennis Reed are central: Reed hand-delivered a petition of more than 115,000 signatures to 10 Downing Street in June 2026, with Moss present, and had received no government response ^[2] ^[3] ^[4].
A Devon-based campaigner (rendered variously as "a lady in Devon, Tania Rebel" and "Tanya Rebel" in the transcript) is said to have campaigned on this for eight or nine years and to be issuing press releases urging people to write to their MPs.
Health argument: people with metal in the body (pacemakers, fillings, hip replacements — and, Moss asserts, metal nanoparticles in some dental anaesthetics and vaccines) are said to face increased EMF effects, a claim she attributes to the ICNIRP guidelines accepted by the UK government.
"Asset-stripping" argument: Openreach (BT's network subsidiary) is extracting and selling the copper. Moss says "nearly 10,000 metric tonnes" were recovered in the latest financial year and over 22,000 tonnes since 2023, with output sold to the recycler EMR, which paid £99 million upfront. Her wider point: the copper was laid when BT was publicly owned, so taxpayers funded it; she cites "the People's Lawyer" David Edelman on "earth and soil jurisdiction" claims that such materials belong to the people.

2. The "Natural Common Law People's Court"

Moss's remedy is a people's court held in central London, convened on the basis of natural law and the coronation oath:
- First sitting, July 2026: two cases — council tax, and the "climate change narrative" (main witness Lord Monckton). Juries of 12 returned unanimous guilty verdicts in both.
- Second sitting, 14 October 2026 (anniversary of Hastings): two further cases plus a late addition on the copper landlines, which reached a unanimous guilty verdict on all five defendants in "a little over an hour".
Witnesses in the landline case: Piers Corbyn; Simone Plout (rendered thus in the transcript), a professional risk assessor arguing there had been no proper risk assessment; and Arianna Haddoni (name uncertain in the transcript), speaking personally.
The five defendants (summoned, all absent; a Zoom link was left open): the chief executive of BT Group (Allison Kirkby), the chief executive of Openreach, the chair of Ofcom, the Secretary of State for digital/culture/media (Lisa Nandy), and her "predecessor in that post" (named as Liz Kendall — see fact-check).
Organisation: Moss credits Catherine Armitage with early help, and stresses she is "just the spokesperson" for a much larger group, not a figurehead. Contact address given on air: contactpeoplescourt@proton.me (listeners may request copies of the summons and suggest future cases).
Delingpole's challenge — "so what?" — is the pivot of the episode. Moss's reply: the court's authority is "lawful" (natural/divine law) and "legal" (derived from the coronation oath), and the aim is publicity, MP lobbying and unspecified "next steps" that she declines to detail because they are not yet agreed.

3. The claimed legal foundation

Authority	Moss's use of it
Sir William Blackstone (18th c.)	Natural law is "superior in obligation to any other"; "no human laws are of any validity, if contrary to this"
Thomas Aquinas	Natural law sits above human law and immediately below divine law
R. S. Hoyt, English Historical Review (1956)	The phrase "laws and customs" in the coronation oath (from Edward II's reign) includes customary courts, including those not held under the monarch — the shire and hundred courts
House of Commons report	The coronation oath is a legal document (her stated starting point)
New Yorker, 2 July 2026	Jeannie Suk Gersen, Harvard Law School, writing on natural law with reverence for Aquinas — used to show the idea is not fringe ^[5]

The six alleged anomalies in Elizabeth II's 1953 coronation oath (detailed in her Truth U article, with images):

The signature appears above the text rather than below it.
The signature differs markedly from her later "Elizabeth R" — Moss, drawing on a past interest in graphology, cites the shortened underline that stops at a lower-zone "z", and the absence of loops on the "l" and "b", whereas the later signature has loops and a full underline; footage of the ceremony is said to show a full underline.
The signature is "squeezed into the top of the page".
No date.
No witness statements.
Two non-identical versions of the document (the one at Kew having a differently shaped ribbon).

A further point on content: monarchs swear to preserve God's laws, which (per Deuteronomy 4:2) are immutable — yet Elizabeth II gave royal assent to 4,272 Acts between 1953 and 2022, which Moss presents as a contradiction.

The "double bind" conclusion: if Elizabeth's oath was invalid, Charles is not a legitimate king, all corporate courts and government are void, and only natural-law courts are lawful. If instead the oath is valid, the king is bound to preserve "laws and customs" — including people's courts — so their verdicts must be observed. Either way, she argues, the court wins.

4. 1066 and the top-down state

Moss's framing: the bottom-up Anglo-Saxon order (shire and hundred courts) was replaced by the top-down Norman system, which she says has persisted.
Quoting R. H. C. Davis (writing in the 1966 anniversary year): one day's fighting on 14 October 1066 gave England a new dynasty, aristocracy, church, art, architecture and language; by 1086 fewer than half a dozen of the 180 greater tenants-in-chief were English; by 1090 only one of 16 bishoprics was held by an Englishman; almost every Anglo-Saxon cathedral and abbey was rebuilt in Norman style; English was relegated for nearly two centuries while French was the language of court and aristocracy.
Supporting figures she gives: the chronicler Symeon of Durham on Northumbrians selling their children into slavery and eating rats and grass; land held by about 2,000 Saxons in 1066 controlled by some 200 Normans by 1086; William ~20% of the wealth, barons 50%, church 25%; Odo of Bayeux (William's half-brother, made a bishop as a teenager, the realm's wealthiest tenant-in-chief) as probable commissioner of the Bayeux Tapestry; surviving English nobles holding a mere 5% of land.
Edward A. Freeman (19th-c. Oxford historian, six-volume History of the Norman Conquest) is cited for the claim that 1066 was an illegal invasion, on five grounds: Harold was elected by the Witan and the crown was elective; foreign oaths and promises count for nothing; the crown was not Edward the Confessor's to bequeath without Witan consent; Harold's oath to William was extracted under duress and could not override his constitutional duty; and Edward named Harold on his deathbed, which the Witan ratified.
She notes the Bayeux Tapestry is on loan to the British Museum (10 September 2026 – 11 July 2027), which makes the subject topical ^[6].
Closing image: a Sleeping Beauty analogy — a curse, a long sleep, and possible awakening before the thousandth anniversary (2046?). Delingpole adds that a forthcoming episode will feature a theory that Britain has been cursed since Elizabeth I's reign through John Dee's traffic with spirits.

5. Cultural digression: Hofstede and the French

To explain top-down rule, Moss invokes Geert Hofstede's Culture's Consequences (2001 ed.) and the IBM subsidiary study, and the dimension of power distance — France being very high, Anglo and Scandinavian countries much lower.
Anecdote from her time as a training manager at Eurotunnel: a French HR director's "flat" structure had ten levels below a board that sat outside it; he told her her fault was being "far too interested in getting things done", the French being "much more interested in process". Both she and Delingpole note their degrees in French and affection for the language, before Delingpole's invective about "froggy values".

6. Other threads

Delingpole's pessimism: his default position is that official bodies act against the public interest; the "free market/customer is always right" story is "eyewash"; BT's privatisation under Thatcher was possibly part of a plan to degrade communications ahead of a war; mobile signals can be jammed (he cites South African farm attacks) whereas landlines cannot.
Moss's counter-example on pushback: the government's abandoned plan to restrict jury trial in some cases, dropped after opposition (she credits the Bar).
Folic acid: Delingpole attacks mandatory fortification of flour, says the underpinning study showed more fetal deaths than lives saved, and names Christopher Snowden of the Institute of Economic Affairs as an example of a think-tanker "skirmisher" defending the establishment line.
Practical calls to action: write to the People's Court; write to MPs; send in expertise. Resources: truthreports.substack.com (now branded Truth U), truthu.co.uk, info@truthu.co.uk. A conference is planned for March 2027 in Oxford on "the dark underbelly of elite universities", with Norman Fenton among the speakers; enquiries via learningholidays@protonmail.com.
Asides: Oxford's reported new writing guidance avoiding idioms unfamiliar to international students; Delingpole's prep-school trip to Berkeley Castle and the guide's euphemism about Edward II's death; a bird that flew into his window mid-recording.

Fact-check of the verifiable claims

Claim in the interview	Status
Copper/PSTN network switched off 31 January 2027	Correct — BT revised the date from December 2025 to 31 January 2027 in May 2024 ^[1:1]
Silver Voices petition of 115,000+ signatures delivered to Downing Street in June 2026	Supported — contemporaneous reports describe Reed delivering a petition of more than 115,000 signatures, and a campaign update from 17 June 2026 describes handing it in with "Silver Voices member Gloria" ^[2:1] ^[3:1]
Openreach recovered nearly 10,000 tonnes in the latest year; over 22,000 tonnes since 2023	Correct — a record 9,147 tonnes in the year to March 2026; 22,347 tonnes in total since 2023 ^[7] ^[8]
EMR paid £99 million upfront for recovered copper	Correct — £99m upfront under a recycling agreement running to 2028, following £105m in 2024 ^[9] ^[10]
Delingpole: LME copper "$14,496… nearly $15,000 an ounce"; 10,000 tonnes ≈ "$144,960 thousand"	Price right, unit wrong. LME copper was about $14,449–14,560 per tonne on 29–30 October 2026 ^[11] ^[12], so 10,000 tonnes ≈ $145 million, not $15,000 an ounce. Copper is quoted per tonne, never per ounce
"6% of people… about 1.5 million" without internet access	Imprecise. Ofcom's most recent estimate is 2.8 million people (5%) with no internet access at all; the 1.5 million figure is Ofcom's 2021 count of households offline ^[13] ^[14]
BT chief executive is a woman, Allison Kirkby, with an HND from Glasgow Caledonian rather than a degree	Correct — Kirkby, BT Group CEO since February 2024, holds an HND in accounting from Glasgow Caledonian University and is a FCMA ^[15] ^[16]
Openreach chief executive is a woman	Correct — Katie Milligan succeeded Clive Selley on 1 April 2026 ^[17]
Ofcom's chair	Sir Ian Cheshire, in post since 9 June 2026 (succeeding Lord Grade) ^[18]
Culture/digital secretary is Lisa Nandy	Correct — appointed Secretary of State for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport on 20 July 2026, having held the culture brief since July 2024 ^[19]
"Her predecessor in that post, Liz Kendall"	Incorrect. Kendall was Secretary of State for Science, Innovation and Technology (September 2025 – July 2026), not a previous DCMS culture secretary; Nandy has held the culture portfolio continuously since 2024, her predecessor at DCMS being Lucy Frazer ^[20] ^[21]
New Yorker article on natural law by a Harvard law professor, 2 July 2026	Exists — Jeannie Suk Gersen, "Why Have Liberals Abandoned a Moral Reading of the Constitution?", The New Yorker, 2 July 2026; she is the John H. Watson Jr. Professor of Law at Harvard ^[5:1]. Its title is not "Celebration of Natural Law"
Bayeux Tapestry on display at the British Museum	Correct — 10 September 2026 to 11 July 2027 ^[6:1]

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